As the head of the Environmental Protection Agency in the early ‘00s, Christine Todd Whitman served at the pleasure of one Republican president. Now the former Republican governor of New Jersey is being very public about her displeasure with another. Following President Trump’s defense of Russian President Vladimir Putin last July, Whitman penned an op-ed in the Los Angeles Times calling the commander-in-chief unfit for the office. She has also been calling on the president and her party to recognize human-caused climate change. Crosscut contributor Enrique Cerna asks what she doesn't like about Trump and whether she is getting through. This conversation was recorded on May 4, 2019 at Seattle University as part of the Crosscut Festival.